For earlier one-on-one episodes with Garry, see ep 187. For Rudy, see ep 179, 186, 192, 195, and 196. 

Welcome back to Behind Greatness. This is the first of a series of talks where we host two luminaries in one conversation. Garry from the West Coast and Rudy from the East Coast and both preeminent scientists and explorers in their field. This is the first meeting between the two and as expected, they go big. Fast.

We talk the purpose of the universe, non human intelligence, the question of God, speciation, artificial intelligence, “extranormal”, the re-wiring of the brain, horse whispering, spiralling brain waves, orbs, inside out black hole, electric bath. And, we end this bounty of plenty with a definition from each about the secret of living an interesting life.

Strap yourselves in.

See also Russell Targ (ep 80), Avi Loeb (ep 105), Diana Pasulka (ep 142), Mary Rodwell (ep 149), Rey Hernandez (ep 153, 154).